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( note: this is a transcript of a telephone conversation that is longer available online)

Barry: Ghalil, I am completely honored to have you today, to have this conversation, to flesh out some of the details of your book, what’s behind you, what motivated you to do the book and all that. But I got to ask, most people don’t take it as a compliment when they’re called a dreamer. So when people see your book title, Professional Dreamer - which is compelling by the way - I wonder if they’re thinking, “Why the heck would I want to be proficient and really good at being a dreamer”?

Ghalil: (laugh) Yeah, it’s true. We do tend to use the word “dreamer” in a bit of a condescending way. And I think we’re doing it because we often mean, “You’ve got your head in the clouds, so you’re not being reasonable or practical.” And why is that a problem? Because you’re not adhering to the work-hard-to-achieve mentality. And yet all of our greatest awards all over the world go to dreamers. This is what we celebrate because they think out-of-the-box. They come up with new ideas and innovations and it’s dreamers that change the world, that make things happen.

Barry: Yeah, you hear these things as you grow up, “Oh, she’s just a dreamer. Oh, he’s got his head in the clouds,” like you say. And, “There’s no practical step-by-step action plan that he’s taken because he’s just too imaginative.”

Ghalil: Yeah, and I think it does come down to that work-hard-to-achieve mentality, that you have to plug along and you’ve got to put your nose to the grindstone, you have to sweat and struggle and get by little by little, day by day. And people who are dreaming, I think that it’s a little bit threatening that they’re thinking, like I say, outside-of-the-box. It’s dreamers who open companies, create new things, do great things. They take us beyond what we know, and that is a little bit frightening.

Barry: Yes, well, I wonder then if you have a different spin on what being a dreamer is. And I know you do. And I just wanted to ask you that question so people get to hear the distinct difference between the derogatory form of dreamer and the right form of dreamer.

Ghalil: Well, dreamer refers to mental activity. So it’s saying, “We’re talking about mental activity and what kind. Considering possibilities.” That’s a dreamer. A dreamer is constantly appreciating and considering all the possibilities, and that means that wherever they are right now, they’re going to expand on that in the next moment and in the next moment. And so they’re always going beyond and being innovative and not focused on limitation. They’re focused on possibility. And part of what Professional Dreamer is saying is every thought that we have is infinite and full of possibility. We can choose anything in this moment. And if you approach these possibilities with greater - if you really take a skilled approach to your dreams - you can channel all that great creativity and possibility to do amazing things, miraculous things.

Barry: What do you say to those people, though, who are used to going to the what I call, “Inspirational Seminars,” or the motivational teleconferences? It’s like going to a Chinese buffet. An hour later you’re empty, you want more. And, it’s like you didn’t even go. What do you say to those people who just want to change from the inside out, but they don’t want to be motivated again?

Ghalil: I do think that is fair in a way. Motivation is part of it, we need to feel, that’s part of what dreaming is. Dreaming reignites your passions, it gives you something to look forward to, it fills you with excitement. It touches, very deeply, on what you believe and what you expect and are accepting into your life. So we need that motivation, but we do need practical tools. Like I say, “A more skilled approach to how we dream.” We need practical tools so that the motivation very quickly does come from within. And we are spurred along continuously. So it isn’t a case where we try something or we hear something, and an hour later or a day later we just lost our motivation. Or we can’t be bothered to think about it. Or a lot of times we lose motivation because the things we’re hearing are concepts and ideas, vague things to mull over throughout the day; things to ponder. But they’re not affecting real change in the way that we’re accustomed to. And this is so important, we are a physical being, we live in a physical world, and we’ve spent, most of us, 20, 30, 40 years relating to the world that way. And we’re used to certain rewards, we’re used to experiencing things, feeling things, having things happen. So one of the things I love about professional dreaming is it’s saying, “You’re being encouraged to do specifically this. Create something, some very real and tangible things. Take care of the real and pressing needs in your life. Focus on your immediate needs and wants. And allow yourself to start with what you know and know really well . . .the physical world. And then slowly move into the world we don’t see in the unknown, but in a very comfortable way.” And that’s motivating, that keeps you going. You’re seeing actual, real change in a way that you’re familiar with.

Barry: Right, right. Well, let’s go back a little bit though, to what caused you to write the book and a little bit about your experience before you even wrote the book. And I’ll preface it by saying that you’ve often told me and others that it’s hard for you to put a descriptive label or definition on what happened to you one night, several years ago. And I think that was a night, you might say was an intense, spiritual awakening for you? What was going on there?

Ghalil: It definitely, I still say it is challenging to describe and it’s not because it’s indescribable, but so many parts of my experience that brought to me all the insights and the information that eventually was set on paper and that spread to everybody through word-of-mouth, so much of it was ineffable. It was too great for words. We use the expression, “My life passed before my eyes.” And when we use that expression we can imagine so much going through our minds in an instant. And so much of the experience was like that for me. It was just knowing and understanding such a vast, intricate amount of information in moments, in seconds. And so that’s part of what makes it challenging to describe.

Barry: So did the experience spur on the content for the book? Or was the content already brewing in your mind before then?

Ghalil: No, I (laugh), what happened was quite a while ago now, it’s about six years ago now.

Barry: How many?

Ghalil: Six years ago. I started to feel very, very sick, very fluish. And it just got worse from there. I was getting one symptom after another. I was losing an incredible amount of weight. It was a scary amount of weight. And I was nauseous all the time and odd little things started happening. I was losing the skin inside my mouth. My skin, all over my body, was starting to just look really, really awful. And it was getting to the point where I couldn’t excuse it anymore, adult acne or hormones or, it was just getting really bad. And eventually my skin became so bad it spread to my scalp and I started losing my hair and that’s when things got very terrifying. And then I started to experience incredible pain. And it was, at first, primarily in my arms and legs. And it got to the point where I was having difficulty moving. And I was experiencing such profound tiredness. I was driving to work, it taking every ounce of mental strength for me to get through the morning and get myself into the car to get going. And I would find I’d arrive at work, and I’d pretty much been crying all the way there, because I wasn’t even aware of it, I was so focused on the pain and so trying to concentrate on driving. So eventually I just was realizing, “I can’t do this anymore. I can’t work.” And one morning I woke up and my whole body had turned to cement. I just wasn’t able to move.

And that’s when I realized things were really bad. And I went to, I called the woman, actually didn’t know who to call. And I didn’t know if I’d be able to use a phone. And it was really a struggle. I called the woman that I had known on and off for a few years. I realized, in that moment, I didn’t know a lot of people. I had always been working hard, so driven, a worry wart, a perfectionist, struggling, struggling and realized in that moment I didn’t know a lot of people. And I didn’t even know who to call now, when here I was unable to move. So I called the woman and she was wonderful. And she came and got me and she managed to get me to a doctor. And they did some tests. And a few days later I got a phone call. And the tests had come back positive, and they thought that it was a form of lupus where, basically, the cells in my body were turning in on themselves. They were starting to eat themselves. And that’s why all of my organs were affected. And I lived that way for quite a few weeks and just got worse and worse. I had people helping me to feed me. And during that time I ran out of money. I lost my relationship. Anything else in my life, but I still had a tiny bit of everything fell away, and I hit absolute bottom. And one night, I don’t think I realized it at the time, but one night I declared myself worthy. I’m not even sure exactly what brought it on. And I can tell you that I don’t think I fully understood my decision. It’s even just now, looking back that I realize that’s really what I did. But for a moment, I remember distinctly thinking, “I may never find the answer.

The answer may not be there for me. But I know there is an answer. And I know that I’m entitled to it, the same as everybody else. I know that I matter. And not because I do anything.

Not because I say anything. Not because of where I work or what I do. But simply because I am, and I matter.” And I had the clearest thought after that, and it was the simplest, most mundane thought. I wanted to get up and make tea and just sit. And I guess, for a few moments, feel normal and just sit with this idea that I’m worthy. And I struggled out of bed. It was really difficult, I was so determined to go make tea. And I got halfway across my living room and I didn’t make it to the kitchen. I felt absolutely stopped and it was like my entire body knew to stop. It was almost like hearing somebody call your name, and you know you have to just stop. And from there I experienced so many things. It felt like time stopped.

And in fact, I remember the first few thoughts in my mind were, “I wonder if my heart is beating. I wonder if my heart has stopped. I wonder if I’ve died.” I remember looking out the window, because I wanted to see movement. I wasn’t sure if anything was moving. And I realized I couldn’t feel the pain in my body anymore. And everything seemed perfect. I don’t know how else to describe it. But for a moment, everything was perfect. And it crossed my mind that I wanted to stand there, just like that, forever, until the end of time. It was a perfect moment of stillness. And after that I experienced so many sensations and so much information.

And the information wasn’t like somebody telling me. It wasn’t as if it was coming into my head sequentially. Instead, it was, I guess the best way to describe it, it was as if somebody pulled back the curtain on the entire physical world and I felt as though I stepped into everything that’s going on behind the scenes. And it felt like pure movement. And because I stepped into it, I understood it. The best way I’ve come up with to describe this is to say, if you could imagine for a moment, becoming another person, completely. Actually being them for a second.

And in that moment you would know everything about them, all the past. You would know every fear and every hope. And that’s what it was like. I felt as though I stepped into this movement that is everything. And so I understood it. And that’s how I experienced so much information. And it lasted quite a while, and I don’t actually know how long. I know it was dark when it started and I know that when it was over, the sun was just starting to come out, it was still fairly dark. And when it was over, I think this is very important, when it was over I was very much in shock. I wasn’t instantly transformed. I wasn’t epiphanized, as I call it. I was sitting there, I think thinking, anyone would think, “Was I crazy? Did I imagine it. What’s happening? How is this possible? How can I know this? Is this true”? And the whole time knowing absolutely. And I think that lasted probably all of about five minutes. And I just sat there and I think I sat there for about two hours. And it wasn’t until later telling somebody else that I realized I never experienced any pain in that two hours.

That was the one noticeable change. But the important thing is, like I say, I wasn’t instantly transformed. Instead I’d been given all this information that seemed like this incredibly simple process to just live successfully, to create anything you want, to know how to very quickly take control of your thoughts and your energy. And I had to apply the information. I had to apply it like anybody else would apply it now that it’s on paper and easily accessible. And I think that’s important. And I understood that at the time that that was an important part of the process for me, that I’m actually doing it.

And when I talk about it now, when I say this to you, I think it’s especially important. Because if it is helping me, and it helped me so dramatically at that time, I healed completely and I healed very quickly, I turned everything around to start living what I loved to do, everything. And I think if it can take someone like me who has always wondered why other people experience happiness and get so many rewards, and I struggle to take one, tiny step forward and work for it and pay for it, only to get thrown back. I wondered why I worry so much and as I said before, a type A personality, a workaholic, constantly searching for answers, wondering if I’m being punished, all those things. If I can go from that incredible struggle to where I am now and find that it never ends, it continually progresses, and it gets better and better and better, I think anybody can do it.

Barry: Well it seems like, it’s always interesting to me, there’s a commonality between everybody who has some insight and wisdom to pass on to people. And the commonality is what I call, “The rubber band effect.” It just seems like you get to a point where you’re so excessive in one area. Life gives you clues to snap back. Why is that? In other words, you got these people who, the commonality typically between people with a lot of money is that they didn’t have a lot of money at once. They went through multiple bankruptcies. And that’s on the financial part, but everybody that I can think of who’s wrote a world-renowned book, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, The Millionaire’s Path, A Rich Man’s Secret. I’m looking at all these books as I’m spouting off to you, as I look at my bookshelf. But they all had a commonality. They went through failure or pain or struggle. Why is that?

Ghalil: I think this is one of the amazing things. I find that everybody coming to professional dreaming, they are hearing this today because they’re ready. It’s no coincidence. They’re meant to be here. They’re meant to find this bit of information and energy. And life does give you clues and it does, it’s all about experience. And we just aren’t always ready. Why did I wait until that night to do something so simple, something I had long understood?

From a very intellectual perspective, yes, I should have self-confidence, I should believe in myself, I should be worthy. But why did I never really do that? And why at that point? Because every little thing leads you to that point of readiness where I think you are just suddenly so prepared to move into your true greatness and to really take off where everything can just change. You’re ready for that. You’re just ready.

I heard an addiction specialist say, and I love this quote, that, “If you always keep trying, if you never give up, it’s guaranteed, you always succeed.” And I think that’s part of the struggle. Every little thing helps, every little thing. Every bit of information, every insight is moving you just that one step closer. And you do succeed; that is a guarantee. You succeed because you can’t know that this is what your life is. And it’s, I guess, that it’s so successful, you are already successful. And the experiences along the way are just to return you to knowing that. And once you know that, that’s when you discover that anything, whether it’s money, or partnership or friendship or having a greater social circle, whatever you turn your mind to, it’s easy to create.

Barry: Let me ask you something that’s kind of related and maybe a little bit off-topic. But I know it’s something that you can give some insight on because of what you went through. I’m looking at a quote here. I have a file I call, “My Success Life Manual.” I just put little clips and quotes and stuff that I’ve collected throughout the years. And there is this quote by a guy named Herbert Swoop and he says, “I cannot give you the formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure, which is try to please everyone.”

So my question is, “Do you think we can be successful and please everybody? Do we have to have the mindset that we’ve got to please everybody to have a happy, joyous, successful life”?

Ghalil: Oh, absolutely not. You are everybody. So the only person you have to take care of is yourself. And this is so important, this is what was important about my decision to be worthy. I didn’t make that decision for myself alone, I made that decision for everybody. When I accept more worthiness into my life, when I’m willing to accept more wealth and more health and more happiness, I’m doing it for everyone. I’m saying this is what I believe is acceptable for all. And every time you step up to the plate like that and you stand up and take more for yourself, and enjoy, you recognize your connection to everyone and everything. And you feel, rather than a sense of selfishness, you feel and incredible expansiveness that, how giving is that? And you just have to take care of you, give to you, absolutely relish and celebrate your life in every moment. And that’s what you’re doing for everyone. And we know that. We meet someone on the street who is so infused with joy and life and light, and we just want to be around them, because they are giving to us by the very fact that they exist. Just that they’re standing there, we’re picking up on such wonderful energy and joy. So we just have to look after ourselves.

Barry: Okay, good answer. I love this whole idea though, of learning from failure. So that was in my failure section. (laugh) Which is interesting about how failure spurs us on and how some people classify it as just a down period in their life. Which is what you were just talking about with what happened to you.

Ghalil: (overlapping) I think it’s time to absorb as well. Like I say, we reach a point of readiness. If we embrace this experience and we never give up, we relish the experiences and we open our eyes. It’s just quicker when we open our eyes. But if we really relish every experience along the way, often these struggles, they’re just preparing us, getting us ready. And they’re kind of their timeout sometimes, just to absorb the knowledge, just to really know which direction it is you’re supposed to go.

Barry: Let’s talk a little bit about Professional Dreamer; actually let’s talk a lot about it. Let’s get into the steps. Let’s talk about actually what professional dreaming is. And so my first question would be, “How can someone know whether learning to be a professional dreamer is for them or not”?

Ghalil: Oh, goodness, I think the very, as I already said, I think the very fact that you’re listening to these words today, that somebody is hearing this, if they click on the internet, if they’re seeing it in a brochure, somebody’s telling them, then this is exactly for you. This is a part of your experience, it has, by all of your energy, this is the energy you’re ready for and you’ve brought and attracted it into your life. So number one, it has been that way since I started sharing it, since the first time I opened my mouth to pass this along. It always reaches those who are ready, and that it’s meant to reach. That’s one thing. And I think if you simply want to live the life you truly deserve, it’s for you. If you are ready to say, “Yes, I have gifts. I want to discover them. I want to ignite my passion. I want to discover my desires and my talents. I want the practical means to have what I love and enjoy. I just simply want to be happy. I want to be healthy. I want to feel. I want to be wealthy and embrace life, celebrate every moment of my life, live right now.” It’s for you.

Barry: Well the thing I really like about the book, this is what really compelled me to dive deeper and found out who’s behind the book, meaning you. What I like about it is it covers, quite extensively, a lot of the concepts and principles around universal laws and the philosophy of life and how to go about things differently. At the same time, though, it’s really centered around and focused on what you call, “Six Simple Steps,” and what you call, “The Practice,” which is a repeatable sequence of steps that, when followed, ultimately form a habit. So can these steps be integrated throughout the day as one completes self-growth regimen?

Ghalil: Yeah, there’s two things. Professional dreaming, what is amazing about it is principles and it’s method. And this is something that I understood in my experience. It isn’t enough to know what to do. We need to understand how it works, why it works, what is it’s purpose and it’s importance? Because think of it this way, if you’re in the kitchen and you’re baking, and you know to put together eggs, milk and flour, well, that’s all well and good, and you might do a pretty good job. But if you know exactly why eggs are being used in there, you know what they do to the flour and how they combine and what their purpose is, suddenly you’re an experienced chef. You just have the whole picture, you operate more effectively, you know how to throw in a little of this and a little of that, you know how to make substitutions. You are just so knowledgeable, and it leads you to naturally perform and act and do things more effectively. So this is very much professional dreaming. It’s having that intimate knowledge and understanding of how creation works. That really defines a dreamer as professional.

So when you’re visualizing, when you’re meditating, when you’re praying, and it feels like it’s not working for you, you know exactly why. And you have a systematic process, six simple steps to go back and just go through it and say, “Okay, what ingredients were missed? And what was left out? And that’s important because we’re sifting together here thoughts and emotions, mixing in mental energy, ingredients that we don’t necessarily see or touch right away, at least, perhaps not at first. So it is so useful to have a system and a process in place.

There are six steps and in the beginning of the book I explain that they’re numbered for a reason. It is really good to start with number one and then progress to number two and number three, and take your time with each step so they are integrated into your day. The whole point of this, we don’t want to say, consciously every moment of the day, there’s so much going on. We want to simply reassemble the whole of our being into incredible effectiveness and creativity and power, just to be who we are. So unconsciously in every moment of the day we’re always creating the best, the most expansive reality for ourselves. So these steps are meant to become just an automatic, natural way of being in every moment of the day. So you take your time with step one and you allow that to become integrated into your day.

And what I love about this is these are moment-to-moment steps. These are not, like I say, concepts and ideas that you just bring to mind and mull over and think, “Oh, yeah, I should do that, that’s really great. This is exactly what to do, moment-to-moment, you implement it in any minute of the day, you always know what to do to keep your thoughts effectively creative, how to clear your mind, all of those things. So you stay with step one and allow it to become natural. Take your time, enjoy it. You experience so much reward and so much motivation from that single step, you don’t feel the need to have to jump right away to the next. And then when you feel comfortable and you feel like, “This is such a natural part of my day,” you move on to step two.

And you do the same thing. You work with step two and now you experience a whole new set of rewards and new motivation. And slowly step one and step two start to become a natural part of the day. So they mold together. And then you do three and four and they start to mold together. So eventually it’s just one complete way of being.

Barry: Which is operating with you unconsciously at some point after you continue to practice the steps, it sounds like.

Ghalil: Yeah, exactly. To me it’s like driving a car. Step one is saying, “Here’s how the car works.” Step two is saying, “Here, try out the steering wheel.” Step three is saying, “Here, try the signals. Okay, you’ve got it all.” Step four says, “Great, let’s actually take the car out for a spin.” And after you do that a few times, soon you’re driving and you’re having a coffee and you’re listening to music. And it’s just all natural and automatic. You don’t have to think about it.

Barry: Let’s give listeners and readers some nice overviews of each step, and that way they won’t think we’re teasing them with all these cool steps we keep talking about.

Ghalil: Okay.

Barry: Step one, you have listed as, “One Pointed Thought.” Or, your subtitle is, “Develop and Maintain One Pointed Thought.” What’s that about?

Ghalil: The easiest way to explain ‘One Pointed Thought’ is to really picture in your mind, imagine that every thought is an arrow. We want to give our thoughts a definite and dynamic purpose. Essentially, begin to live in a way where every thought benefits our life. And that is the only stuff in your brain, in our mind, in your being. So the first step is really to clear out all of the mental clutter. To be blunt, all of the garbage; release the past. Stop regurgitating all the wounds and fears and limitations and all the things that send us running as far as we can, as quick as we can away from the finish line, from the direction we want in our life. So it’s clearing your mind so that every thought is an arrow that’s specifically aimed at the life you want.

Barry: Is there something you can do when you get up in the morning? For instance, if I say, “I want to meet a business contact today, when I’m out and about driving, who would help me with, fill in the blank.” Do you mean to just focus on that for a certain amount of time? Is that what it means by ‘One Pointed Thought’?

Ghalil: No, it’s every thought. So it’s in the morning, it’s in the afternoon. Like I say it gets to the point where it’s unconscious, but if you stop in any minute of the day, let’s say you’re driving the car right now, let’s say your sitting by your computer right now. If you just stop right now and say take a look at the thoughts that were rambling in your mind for the last few minutes and say to yourself, “These thoughts that have been rambling around, are they adding to the construction of the life I want, or are they keeping me from focusing on the things I want for my life”? And if the answer is, “These are adding to the life I want…

Barry: (overlapping) So this, for people’s questions again, those are very powerful.

Ghalil: Yeah, like I say, it’s a very practical system, and it’s very simple, and it gives you checks and balances. So one of the things you can do just to insure that you re in fact, first of all you’ll know you’ve achieved ‘One Pointed Thought’.

The energy and the excitement you wake up with and maintain all day without any effort or struggle, this is one of the first things people report to me always. So you will know, you’re not going to have to think about it all that much, in a manner of speaking, you know. The rewards are so tangible, and that’s important to me, because as I said before, we’re a physical being and we’re accustomed to that. So it is really helpful and you will know. But in any moment just sit down and say, “Is this thought that I now hold in my mind adding to the construction of a life I want, or is this thought, or these thoughts for the last few moments, are these thoughts keeping me from focusing on the people, events and things that benefit my life”? And if they are, they’re clutter. It’s, to be blunt, mental garbage. What it’s doing is it’s creating barriers and blockages in the flow of mental energy. It dissipates, deflects and drains your mental energy. So there’s constant interruption. So essentially, when you’re communicating with the universe you’re saying one thing and then another. And you’re sending energy in one direction and two minutes later it’s, “Wait, stop, go this way.” So by clearing your mind of clutter you’re sending out this steady stream of energy.

Picture it like your mind is a bow, and every thought is an arrow, and you’re just sending out, one after another, ‘One Pointed Thought’ with specific, dynamic, definite purpose, every thought towards this life you want in every arrow. Think of it this way, think that every thought is like a brick adding to the creation of a mansion, which is your life, this wonderful mansion. And you want to make sure that every thought is doing that - that it is adding to the construction of this mansion, this wonderful life.

Barry: Okay, and step two you have listed as, “Desire. Discover and Explore Your Desire.” Talk a little bit more about that.

Ghalil: I love this step, this is so wonderful. It’s also a little frightening at first, because if you’re anything like me, like I say, when I had my experience, I didn’t instantly change. I had to battle almost 40 years of negative programming. And I didn’t have a clue what I even liked in my life, never mind desire, that was way too much for me. I just didn’t even know what I liked, I didn’t even know me. I never spent any time to know me because I was terrified of me. I was terrified of everything. So it was a little bit daunting to think, “I’m going to now explore my passions, find out what I truly want in life.” Well it’s amazing, it starts you off and it takes you through a process and you do discover and very quickly, you not only discover talents and passions and truly what you want to experience, not tomorrow, not next week, right now, in this moment. That’s desire. In fact it so helps you with spiritual tenants like, living in the now, and keeping your mind full of the best and greatest thoughts in the now. So it’s an amazing step. It takes you on a process. Desire is a very much a process and it’s a process of discovery. And as you go through it, here’s the things you’re really coming to. You begin to know exactly what you’re choosing for your life. And you know what it is you want to will for your life, ask for in your life. You come to know what it is you’re accepting and what you’re willing to accept into your life. You discover very quickly and very clearly what you believe, deep down. Because remember, we’ve been clearing out clutter in step one, and this step only brings you more and more to uncover every possible layer, so you get right down to true belief. And you discover your expectations and you discover your loves about yourself, about your life.

So it’s an incredibly powerful step that ties together your will, faith, expectation and love. It begins to assemble your thoughts, emotions and actions into a definite and dynamic purpose. So important because we’re a total package. We are a nexus to our thoughts. We are thoughts, emotions and actions. Our energy comes from all of us.

So it’s a powerful step and through it you, right away you start to feel this passion come back, like when you were a child and you wake up in the morning and you’re actually just glad to be getting up and excited about your day. And if you feel like you don’t have a clue what you want, or you feel really conflicted over different wants and desires in your life, this clears it up for you really, really quickly.

Barry: Yes, yes. Since we’re talking about desire, I just go to make a quick comment here. The battle between desire and letting go is almost equivalent to the battle between tastes great and less filling.

Ghalil: Right.

Barry: And I’ve heard so many spiritualists and teachers of higher learning say that it’s okay to list what you want, just don’t focus on your desire. If you do, what happens is you automatically create these blockages by the very focus on what you want. So what’s your thought on the whole thought about not desiring too much so you let it go, let the universe work for you?

Ghalil: Yeah, well first of all, really important point is that desire is what you want to experience in your life right now. This isn’t an objective or a goal, it’s just that it’s the most common way that we describe it and understand it. The only objective here is the physical manifestation of what you’re desiring. But the actual desire itself exists in the moment you choose it. So what you choose in this moment is a reflection of all that you believe, all that you expect, accept, consider worthy, all that you love. It is an expression of the creative force within you. It’s an expression of the spirit. It’s an expression of that part of us that we all share. So desire is very spiritual, but I think sometimes we confuse it with a want. And really it’s just semantics here, and I was careful to take some time to describe desire, to understand that we’re not talking about a want. When we say, “I want a car,” almost all of us understand that to mean, “Oh, well you don’t have a car.” So when we want something, we’re almost always focused on what is lacking in our lives, what is missing, what we don’t have. Desire is a process, not just an objective. It’s a process that makes it easy for you to really get inside there and discover that incredible well of abundance and power and energy, the spirit, what is that remarkable part inside of you. And then say, and recognize everything is already there. A part of it’s already inside of you, and all you’re doing when you desire is looking in there and saying, “Well, what out of all of this abundance do I choose now”? So it is very spiritual in that, as I say, it’s keeping you in the moment. And when you choose this one thing that is already a part of your life, that already exists, and you have the process in place, to celebrate that and relish that, you naturally let go of this long-term outcome, this physical manifestation of your desire.

You let go because that’s the guarantee, you know that. You’ve just gone through a process of developing your belief, clearing out your clutter, getting rid of old fears and limitations. You are so living in the moment, celebrating what truly and what you know truly exists right now. You’re just full of passion for what is. And so you’ve let go. It’s just a natural outcome of the process.

Barry: Well you have some great steps in this chapter about having a regimen for building bigger mental pictures and concepts and getting your desire meter up to a level that it needs to be. So this is a great, great chapter for people to read. Let’s move on to step three, unless you wanted to say anything about that.

Ghalil: No, I just wanted to say that there’s too much to say about it. The benefits that you get from that single step are, it would take me another book to list them. And you experience that for yourself, that’s exactly what this process is doing is you discover all these insights yourself. But one is that you begin to expand, constantly, what it is you can accept as possible. You start living in an entirely different world of possibility, more and more, it never ends. And so, of course you get the same in your life. So it is an amazing step.

Barry: Yeah, it’s my favorite actually. Now step three is unique because I’ve never heard this term before, so I’m glad I have you here to ask you. Step three is, “True Print. Connect With Your Higher Self.”

Ghalil: Right, this is, I have to admit, this was something, this was probably the one challenge in repeating my experience verbally or setting it on paper, was much of what I experienced, trying to find words and trying to relay those words, trying to describe what is so ineffable, what is too great for words. And one of those experiences and information and energy was a ‘True Print’. And a ‘True Print’ simply means that you’re creating a print, an impression of your truth. So that means you must discover and recognize your truth and then create a print of it.

And why is that important? Because it gives you, we’re a physical being, remember, we’re living in a real world. So when you create a print of your truth, you weave a tangible, real representation of your absolute essence. A representation, a print that you can translate into words and actions. So you have now a blueprint, essentially, to know exactly how to express your truth in every moment of the day in words, in actions. You’re no longer just thinking about these ideas like, going with the flow. We know these are great. I spent years asking myself, “I would love to achieve this. I know it’s important. I really, really want it. I just don’t know how.” And this third step so easily gets you there. I mean this is one of the things that you come to really see as an overall foundation in the book. Creation is miraculous for its simplicity. It’s just so simple. And step three gives you the quickest, simplest, most practical way to connect with your truth, with your spirit, with that essence that is connected to everyone and everything, and actually know how to live that in every moment of the day. And like I say, in emotion, in thought, in speech, in action towards others, when you’re alone.

So you are constantly developing the best of your being, recognizing it more, getting to know it more. And you go with the flow. And your energy more and more is always from your higher self. So you connect with your higher mind. You open more and more to the intelligence of the universe, God, essence. It’s an amazing step that just really brings you to that highest level where you want to be.

Barry: Well here’s why I personally like the term “Higher Self” over “God.” This is just a personal preference, so anybody listening, reading, they can choose to accept it or not. I use it quite extensively on my site where I talk about what happened to me five years ago where I had a conversation with my higher self. And some traditionalists would say, “Well, you mean God.” And I like it because I once heard the term called, “The super conscious,” where basically our soul choices are - that’s where they reside, that’s where they’re living. And if we’re aware of it, it communicates to our conscious using stuff like intuition, instinct, inner voice, dreams and so on. And it lets me know that I’m connected to a bigger, bigger, but interconnected being. When I say, “God,” it makes me think I’m just talking to another being, not myself.

Ghalil: Right.

Barry: And that’s why I like the term, “Higher Self.” Because I think when you are connected to, like you say, when you get into seeing with your awareness and why you’re here and you’re within your purpose, it does an incredibly remarkable job of bringing together the synchronicity, the people, and the events to help you get what you want.

Ghalil: Oh, absolutely. This is one of the keys that begin to be very, very real for you through this practice. You let go of separation. This is something that plagues us for a reason. It helps us to learn that we are not separate from any of the things we want. We are not separate from anybody. So yeah, our higher self, that part of us, that piece we get to experience, that is so remarkable is everywhere, in everything, in all time. And it is challenging, it is so expansive. That’s something we have to, little by little, taking small, manageable steps, open to, because it is incredible. And that’s why I believe these steps are so important. They’re exactly what to do, but minute-to-minute. And we need that because, as I say, we need to open to this. This is a massive concept. And we don’t want to just believe. Oh, yes, that’s a great concept. We believe it already. Of course we know this. We want to feel it and we want to live it. And that’s, I guess now you’re hearing my passion come out, because that’s why I want everybody to just get started and give it a go. I want you to live that way, absolutely as you say, feel the God that is you, that is everything.

Barry: Exactly, yeah, exactly. To let people know it’s okay to be and to assume that you are a little god being, like the rays of the sun are connected to the sun. It’s okay to realize you have that type of connection to an all-powerful source.

Ghalil: Oh, yes, absolutely.

Barry: So after that is dealt with and (laugh) really synced up to your being, and this could be totally shocking to some people. It could be said in a different way to folks who’ve been in the spiritual community for a while. I’m not sure how step three’s going to resonate with people, but needless to say it’s definitely, it’s an important part of the practice and I assume it’s where it’s at for a reason.

Ghalil: Yeah, there’s two comments I’d like to make that are really just stick out for me is, the steps, remember, are numbered, like you say, there is a reason, for a reason. That’s a big thing, to open to how incredibly remarkable and powerful we are, how intimately connected we are to everything in our environment, every person, how you are me and I am you. And it takes those small, manageable steps to get us there, to really open our energy to such a higher level, to open our thoughts, to really expand.

So step three is three for a reason. And fortunately the steps work. So you don’t have to worry about whether or not you’ll be prepared or you’ll enjoy it. They do get you there. And like I say, here’s what to me is important and that I love. Every step is giving you tangible rewards. You’re feeling a huge increase of energy in step one. Or you experience something come into your life. Or, for everybody it’s always something. One of the things that was so amazing to me is every reader, whenever I make contact with a reader, if they would email or call, it was always within the first chapter of the book. Because you start to experience things. So you’re very prepared by step three. And you know you’re on the right path and you are ready by that time to open up.

And the other important point is step three guides you through a process to connect with your higher self in your own way. I cannot tell you how to do this, nobody can. You need to relate and recognize and experience your higher self in your own way. Step three simply gives you the means to do that quickly and effectively.

Barry: Good, good. I love it, I love it. It’s definitely one of the things that I had to wrestle with when I was on my journey and how to do that. So, also very, very pivotal chapter in your book and very key.

Ghalil: You have to remember a little bit of this, I think, I have to remember this is so much of it is I’m not so much the author, but I’m certainly the translator. And so much of it is coming through me and I think the practicality of it is something I just embraced so much. I often wondered if perhaps that’s why I was given this, exposed to this, because I’m very practical. I want things to work. I don’t have time or patience for things that are just filling my head with ideas, because I’m more than open and willing to believe. And like I said, I spent years saying, “I will happily go with the flow. I will connect with my source.” I went to every church. I practiced Buddhism for two years. I did everything I could, meditated and prayed. It’s important that there’s something that can get us there that works. And like I say, if you’re ready, it works.

Barry: Let’s talk about step four.

Ghalil: Yeah, step four is a really, really nice step and really simple to explain, because it’s, as I said before, if you think of it like driving a car, suddenly…

Barry: Let me go ahead and tell people what it is first. Okay, step four is visualization, right? Okay, so you have it labeled as, “Simultaneously Engaging in Steps One, Two and Three.” This was how you label it, go ahead.

Ghalil: Right, right. So I was just saying if you, earlier I was saying, if you think of it like driving a car, at some point the instructor’s going to say, “Let’s actually pull away from the curb and take this car for a spin.” So that’s what step four in the practice is. It essentially, it’s saying, “Great, let’s just take a little time out now, purposely, away from distraction. And let’s set our mind to experiencing what it’s like to combine steps one, two and three.

Take a few minutes to really feel it blended.” If you think of it like going into the kitchen to bake, step four is the time when you’re actually going to blend the ingredients. And the purposes of that is that you’re consciously taking time out to experience what that blended mixture feels like, so that very, very quickly this becomes engrained in your way of being. It’s just natural to constantly, in every moment, be combining all of the steps. So you just soon you can’t think any other way. That’s a really nice, in a way, time out and practice grade to really solidify everything you’ve done up till then.

Barry: Well visualization is something that I first go into with in regards to the powers of the mind. That was the first thing actually I got in tune with and experienced through my father in baseball in Little League.

Ghalil: Oh, right.

Barry: He told me to pretty much visualize, to close my eyes, to feel the crowd cheering, to feel what it’s like running around the bases with everybody looking at you because you hit a homerun. And to visualize, so what I’m getting at is people in sports have definitely used visualization for a long time. But what do you tell someone who basically says this, “I visualized what I wanted. I definitely got what I wanted. And I attribute that to visualization. But then there’s times, Barry, Ghalil, that I just didn’t get it anymore. My ability to use visualization’s at a standstill.”

Ghalil: A couple of things - I’m so glad you asked. Visualization – I’m careful, at the start of that chapter to say - visualization means a lot of things. It describes an effective process for creative thinking. And that can be a lot of things. There isn’t one way to visualize. It’s more of a catch-all word that’s saying, “All we’re going to do is sit down and practice thinking creatively, what we already do in every moment of the day. But we’re going to do it more effectively.” So it’s important, first of all, to know what process you’re using or what you’re doing and what Professional Dreamer, as I say it’s suggesting, is that you combine steps one, two and three. So while most people think of visualization as focusing on this one thing that you want or truly desire, remember that’s step two in the process. But there’s also step one, there’s making sure that your mind is clear. Because if it’s not, or step three isn’t there and your energy is not brought to a sufficient level, couple things are happening. Your energy is either so low that in a sense you’re more aligned with energy close to physical matter. You’re almost literally talking to a wall. If your mind is filled with clutter, you can dream about your desires until the cows come home, but it achieves very little results, because as quickly as you’re working to produce positive, productive energy, the mental clutter is systematically working against you, tearing down everything you worked to create.

So you can sit and dream about a car, but it also matters where your energy is and whether you’re expressing the spirit when you do it. It matters if your mind is free of clutter and garbage. So you’re not as quickly as you’re swimming up the stream, water is pushing you back. So it’s a combination of all three. It’s like baking again. If the recipe calls for eggs, milk and flour, then you need eggs, milk and flour. It doesn’t do any good to leave one out, you’re just leaving yourself open to be, again, less effective, to do what we’re already doing in every moment of the day. So actually on to your question now, if somebody is experiencing difficulty with visualization, it may have worked before, maybe it doesn’t now, this is what I love about professional dreaming. Is it is a process, a systematic process that always works as long as all the ingredients are present, it always works.

How do I know that? Because you’re doing it right now. You’re doing it in every single moment of the day, it is a guarantee. This practice simply breaks down the natural process into steps so you can see and understand what you’re doing, take your time to become good at it. So the recipe is right there in front of you. If suddenly you’re challenged or struggling, or you feel a fear is coming back in your life, or visualization feels like a bit of a struggle, you’re having trouble calming or relaxing your mind or body, you don’t know what your desires are, anything. You just go back over the recipe and say, “Well, what ingredients were left out? What ingredients did I miss”? And you just put in those ingredients, and you’re back on track.

Barry: Okay, so let me kind of just, let me see if I can bottom line what visualization is. Because maybe I’m a little confused here. Maybe people listening or reading, maybe they’re not. From what I’m hearing, you’re interpretation of step four, which is visualization, is using the combination, or all of the first three steps?

Ghalil: Right.

Barry: Not exactly closing your eyes and thinking how you’re going to hit the golf swing, which is what most people associate visualization with, correct?

Ghalil: And that’s a part of the process. Focusing on your desires is a part of the process, but it’s only a part of the process. The rest of the process includes bringing your energy to your highest level, that’s step three, connecting with your truth. The other part of the process is making sure that your mind is clear. So while you’re thinking about your desire, there isn’t all this garbage quickly tearing down everything you’re working to create.

Barry: Okay, fair enough.

Ghalil: And I think that’s important because I visualized before, and that’s why I took the time to explain it. I think visualization is very much a catch-all word that gets tossed around and refers to a lot of things. You have to understand what is this particular method of visualization asking you to do. It’s simply describing an effective process of creative thinking. And for professional dreaming, that effective process is this, combining steps one, two and three. It’s important because if you just sit, like I say, and dream about your desires, you might get very, very frustrated. You might do that over and over again. Here’s an example of one woman who got up, thought about her desire, throughout the day she’d make notes about her desire, she kept a picture of her desire beside her computer at work, and every night, without fail, she made time to visualize. And after a month, nothing happened. So why? Because deep down there was all this mental clutter rambling around in her mind that, although it was so well hidden because it was such old fears and deep-seeded limitations, she didn’t notice that it was there. So while she’s doing all this incredible effort, first of all it feels like effort because her mind is full of clutter, and second of all it’s not working because as quickly as she’s sending energy out, it’s being deflected and dissipated and blocked and drained by all this clutter.

So it’s important to, as I say, understand how and why the process works so you know what you’re doing so you know why you’re visualizing and you, when it doesn’t work, you know exactly what to do. You just go back and say, “Aha, that was it. I’ve got clutter rambling around in there and I need to just clear that out. How am I going to do that? Great, I have a step right, step one.”

Barry: So it’s almost like the step four is almost like a stopping point where you make sure you’ve got the previous steps integrated properly?

Ghalil: Exactly. I think of it as practice and preparation. It’s practice of all that you’ve done so far, so it feels very solid and natural and quickly. And it’s preparation for something so much greater that you start living like this. This becomes your natural way of being.

Barry: Yeah, because if you’re not prepared for the next two steps it seems like it could be longer than needed before you actually put them into practice. So…

Ghalil: (overlapping) Absolutely.

Barry: …get the first three down, and the fourth one is what allows you to do that.

Ghalil: Yeah, and if you think about it, step one is going to be, obviously, a little more challenging for most of us, certainly for me than say, step three or step four or step, certainly step five and six. If you get that basic down, this is such an important first and always step. We need to clear out those fears. We need to clear them out. We need to release the past and not hang on to any of the stuff that simply doesn’t benefit our lives. One of the quotes from the book says, “If it’s not helping you, it’s a disruptive thought, it’s clutter, let it go.” It’s not helping you, it’s hindering you. And we need to let it go. But that is all well and good to say.

And I would’ve given someone anything to know how to get rid of my fears, to stop worrying so excessively, to stop sitting by the window at night and crying over the simplest little thing somebody said to me because I’m so over-sensitive and constantly watching my words before I speak because I’m so concerned about what others think, because they must like me, because I’m a perfectionist, because I don’t want them to find out about this horrible damaged part inside of me that I believe. All of that, imagine, carrying all of that around every minute of the day. So it is just so important to have a stopping and just really make sure and feel comfortable. And more than anything, enjoy it. Imagine the release you experience when these, all this clutter begins to dissolve.

Barry: Yeah, I know it’s got to be a freeing experience.

Ghalil: Oh, it feels so good.

Barry: You have step five listed as, “Demonstration,” or, “Live as Though Your Desire has Already Occurred.”

Ghalil: Right.

Barry: Live as Though Your Desire has Already Occurred. What does that mean?

Ghalil: Well, it has a number, it’s energy and when you choose it, it exists. It’s already here. You’re not waiting for something down the road, you’re not, this isn’t about future possibilities. What you choose and create in this moment exists. And through the process, you’re given the practical means to celebrate that, to relish that in every moment of the day. Remember the only thing down the road is simply the physical manifestation of your desire, the physical outcome. And that’s simply because it takes energy, some time in the physical world we’re bound by physical laws.

It takes energy some time to evolve. So that’s all. But what you choose, what your desire is in all areas of your life, that’s created now, it exists. So step five is saying, “Now just live according to that. Speak according to that. Think according to that. Feel according to that. And act.” And it’s not about pretending, it’s about doing what you actually can to experience bits and pieces of your physical manifestation of your desire before it’s actually evolved. But you do want to experience it, you want to take action to live it as though it is right here, right now. So you are appreciating and remembering that it does exist right here, right now.

Barry: Do you think step five is a hard step or an easy step for most.

Ghalil: Oh, it’s such an incredibly fun, easy step. It’s one of the things I’ve enjoyed the most. And I think most people have really enjoyed it.

If you are looking for a partner, you have a partner right now. What you’re dreaming about is to go to the movies. So great, go out the newspaper and spend five minutes circling the shows you’re going to go to. That’s demonstration. You’re actually living and demonstrating according to your desire. You’re just taking five minutes here and there to live your desire.

Barry: Is there where some people in the self-improvement field they’ve heard of collage boards, or dream boards? Is that the step you would talk about that and help people with?

Ghalil: Well I think that’s more step two, when you dive into your desire and you’re very focused on images and ideas and the emotions of your desire, but step five is saying, “Look, we’re a total package. We are our thoughts, emotions and actions.” And it’s very important that we consciously, when we’re first going through this process, consciously address our actions. Because so often we think one thing, profess to feel one thing, and all of our actions are contrary to our intentions.

I was speaking to a friend who, I turned to her, we were driving in the car and I said, “You are so energized about getting a car, and you really seem to believe that you’re getting a car. We’re going to pass a car dealership in just a couple of blocks, and I know they’re having a sale. Let’s go in and pick out some colors, let’s choose some options, see what they’ve got.” And right away she said, “No, no, no, no. I don’t have the money. It’s not the time yet, no.” Every action, her speech, her actions, opposes what she professes to be believing and thinking. It’s not enough that we think positively. We are our thoughts, emotions and actions. So step five is saying, “Look, it’s just five minutes a day here and there. Act in line with your desire and something magical happens.” You find out if you are truly prepared to live differently. You find out if you are really ready to have a partner, have a home. And it’s little things, little demonstrations, again, I was very careful to say, “This is acting out in small, reasonable ways.” So if your desire is a partner and a dream date, go window shopping. You don’t have to buy anything.

You’re acting in line with your desire. You’re window shopping for the outfit that you’re going to wear on the first date that you’re dreaming about. If your desire is for a car, go to a car dealership and look at the choices of colors. If your desire is to go on a trip, why are you not, right now, checking out the price of flights? Why are you right now not grabbing a suitcase, making sure you’ve got a suitcase, doing all these things? If you’re not, it’s very possible that you deep down don’t believe your desire is really on the way.

It’s also possibly you’re not truly ready for this desire. All of these things, these incredible insights come out of step five when you purposely just take a little time, five minutes a day, to make sure you’ve assembled the whole of your being, thoughts, emotions and actions around your dreams and the life you want for yourself.

Barry: Wow, that’s all I can say. (laugh)

Ghalil: You know what? It’s a…

Barry: (overlapping) That does seem like a fun step, doesn’t it? (laugh)

Ghalil: Oh, I get so carried away. It is such an amazing process. I’ve had opportunity to talk to a group the other day and two hours went by in about two seconds.

And afterwards we thought we needed eight hours to just talk about one step. (laugh) There is so, and then we need three days after that to talk about the experiences. And whenever I’m teaching it, I always make sure to schedule as much as I can anyway, two sessions, at least a week apart. Because you are going to experience change. And you need to come back and talk about that and relish it and celebrate it. And it’s just wonderful.

Barry: Let’s get into step six here so we can give people a complete, overall picture. And then we’ll kind of get into some more questions about the overall practice. So moving from demonstration, which is step five, we would then, readers of your book would then learn about step six, which ultimately is really, I would think, the ultimate goal, which is manifestation, or celebrate the achievement of your desire. In other words celebrate the achievement of step one, right?

Ghalil: Absolutely, it’s, to be really blunt, by the time you get to step six, you’ve already done step six. It’s already accomplished. Step six is living so that every moment of your life is a celebration, and if you have already brought steps one through five into your life, you can feel it. It is already a celebration. It is amazing. You’ve moved past all those, let me say this, all these things that we so would love to have in our life, I think most of us would like these things, a sense of gratitude, feelings of thankfulness, a deep sense of trust in ourselves and others, love, a sense of peace, a sense of confidence, all of those things. We do not have to go after them or work for them, they are natural outgrowths of the practice and they happen by the time you’ve applied one through five, they’re all there in step six. So it’s really just a natural result. And step six is just saying, “Because your life is such a celebration, please consciously take some time out of your week every now and again, every month, and just purposely celebrate, and thank yourself, celebrate your gifts, celebrate your desires you’ve manifested, celebrate what you’re doing.” Because there’s very few things in our life, they’re going to remind us how special we are, how remarkable. So take the time to really look at what you’ve done and say, “Wow.”

Barry: Yeah, yeah, exactly. This is the area, though, when it comes to manifesting, people either, they put it away in a time capsule and never tap into it again because they didn’t get what they want in the right amount of timeframe. This is what I find as a researcher of manifesting, where people either, they either go with it or they just don’t have anything else to do with it again. That’s that once bitten, twice shy syndrome as I always say.

Ghalil: (overlapping) That’s true.

Barry: I [attempted to] manifest this relationship or this trip or this car, I didn’t get it. I’m never going to get it. I haven’t seen any evidence, Barry, that I’m going to get it.

Ghalil: Right.

Barry: I mean, what do you say to someone like who is just so jaded on the topic of their desire not coming to them?

Ghalil: And I’m right there with you. Like I said, I spent years and years struggling and thought, “Maybe I’m just not, maybe there is something that, there’s an answer, but maybe I’m not going to find it.” I know what it’s like to be really frustrated and obviously to have all that frustration became so bad that it actually ate me up from the inside out. So it’s a fair frustration.

But there’s two things, if somebody sends you a recipe from another part of the world and you try creating it here at home, you might be at the wrong altitude. So what took 20 minutes to bake at your friend’s house, it’s actually going to take 30 minutes here at your house. So you put the recipe together, you stick it in the oven, and after 20 minutes, that’s what the recipe says you’re expecting it to come out. But it’s a disaster, it’s not cooked. That’s because here with a different altitude, it takes 30 minutes. But you wouldn’t throw your hands in the air at this point and say, “Well that’s it. It’s laughable. Nobody can cook. It’s just a joke, it can’t be done.” We would never do that. We would just…

Barry: Yeah, you can’t blame the process, you have to blame the technique you’re using.

Ghalil: Right, the first thing we would do is, standing in the kitchen with this flopped cake, the first thing we would do is say, “Okay, obviously something’s missing here. Either I’ve got to put it in the oven longer, because I’m at a different altitude, or I might have missed an ingredient.” So the first thing you do is you start again and you systematically go back over the process and determine what’s missing. Professional Dreamer is a recipe. It tells you exactly what ingredients you need and how to mix them; it is that simple.

The universe is miraculous in its simplicity. That is so important to grasp, so simple. It’s a recipe. You just go back over and determine what you need. So I also feel - the second thing is - that I also feel that it’s almost quite good to go through that first bit of frustration. Let’s say you get into the practice and after a couple of days, your doubts start to come back. You really felt them beginning to dissolve. You moved through step one, you moved through step three. But you’ve been doing it for a couple of days, maybe three, four days, and suddenly a few doubts are starting to surface. Again, you’re thinking, “Nothing’s happening. I experienced some great things in step one. I experienced some things in step two, but really I don’t have my desire.” I actually feel it’s quite good to experience that, because what you start to see right away is you’re just uncovering deeper layers of clutter as you move through the process. And I do think everyone is going to really go through a lot of limitations and finding restrictions and deep-seeded fears as they go.

And once you move past that, you do manifest your desires. It’s, like I say, you’re doing this in every minute of the day already. If you simply take a more active, conscious role in the process, you’re just going to do it better. But it’s not doing something new, it’s not doing something magic. You’re already creating this magic every single day.

And I’ll just give you a quick example of this. One woman I spoke to was such a good example. She started and wanted a house and right away the first few thoughts to her mind were, “I can’t afford it, it’s in an expensive area of town.” Right away every possible bit of mental clutter, fears and limitations. So she dealt with those. She worked through step one and step two and step three. And by about step four she was feeling terrific and she’s moving along. About a week into the process the doubts start to surface and she writes me and she says, “Again, I’m not sure if I’ll get the house. And I want to believe, and et cetera.” And I said, “Well, it’s a recipe. Go back over the process and determine what’s missing at this point.” So she went back and realized, of course, it’s just clutter, it’s just step one rising up again. Dealt with that, went back through the recipe, applied ingredient one, and ingredient two, and a week later manifested her dream home in the dream neighborhood exactly as she wanted. You just need to follow the process and understand it’s systematic. You’ve just got to apply it.

Barry: Well the first word that comes to mind, when I think about step six, is self-responsibility. And it just strikes me as a thing that, if you haven’t got to step six, there’s something you’re not doing right, or something that, in other words people can’t go and blame something. They’ve got to blame what they’re doing.

Ghalil: I would…

Barry: (overlapping) They got to get out of their own way.

Ghalil: Yeah, I will say this, I mean rather than dealing so much of blame, just knowing that we’ve spent 20, 30, 40 years having cultural restrictions placed on us. We’ve had other people solely dedicated to filling our minds with clutter, with advertising that centers on mock and limitation. We’ve got people we’ve grown up with pounding certain negative beliefs and tings into our head. We need to remember that not all of our thoughts are really our own. A lot have been, we’ve picked up so much, and it’s coming from so many different places. So rather than feeling, “I’ve done something wrong,” or, “I’m really to blame.” It’s as you say, “Okay, I can take responsibility, which simply means I have the control to make a choice here. And the choice I’m going to make, this is the most fabulous choice, is to apply the systematic process.” So just go determine, as I say, what ingredient is mixed instead of wasting any time on mental clutter thinking, “I’m doing a lousy job, “ or, “I didn’t do it,” or just saying as you say, “Great, look, I have the power to choose and, thankfully, I have the process here that will make my choices easy. So I don’t struggle; it won’t really help me to implement these choices every minute of the day.”

Barry: One of the things I wanted to ask you - because you kind of give people heads up on this in your book - is that when putting the practice into use, you mention that many people will experience what’s commonly described as an ‘eerie period’.

Ghalil: Right.

Barry: Is there a certain step that they’ll experience this? And why do they experience this, what you call, “Eerie Period”?

Ghalil: Yeah, it seems that everybody goes through it many times and sometimes it can be like a cluster of these eerie periods in a week. Sometimes it’s a week long. Sometimes it’s quite systematic, it’s every single month. And really everyone used the same word. Whenever people write or call they would say, “Oh, it’s eerie.”

So there didn’t seem to be a better word for it. And what this eerie period is, is simply this. For a period of time, be it a day or maybe a week, sometimes longer, sometimes a couple days, everything you think about is manifesting. It’s just happening one after another. The other day I woke up and for no reason it came into my mind, “Oh, I love when there’s little things in life that excite you like finding money.” And as soon as I thought that I thought, “Oh, I’ve never thought that before. I’ve never consciously thought about finding money.” And I thought, “I love this idea.” And about four times during the day I thought, “Yeah, I’ll find some money.” And about couple hours later I pulled into a gas station, opened the door of my car, stepped out and my foot was standing on a $20.00 bill. And every moment of the day, one after another. And people experience this in so many ways. They’ll think about someone in the morning, so they’re the first person who calls. They think about a meeting at work and how they want it to go.

It goes exactly like that.

And it’s not just one or two manifestations, it’s every single thing and it’s almost scary, it’s eerie. It’s when you have it put right into your face over and over you see you are so powerful and don’t forget, when you have that in your face constantly for a day or a week, it’s an amazing feeling to just truly, absolutely, from the deepest part of you know now, and I can never go back. I completely know who I am. And I understand this power we all share. And I am going to love myself so much. Because that’s what I want for everybody.

Barry: Yeah.

Ghalil: And it’s amazing. Through the practice you move so beyond things like gratitude. You just come to live in this state of awe. Everything is interesting, absolutely everything, and exciting. And if life starts to pull you off track because suddenly, out of the blue you find yourself immersed in a negative environment or around a lot of people who are suddenly complaining, or unpleasant world events hit you, whatever it is, you always have the system. You always have the tools that you can just stop and say, “Exactly what do I do in this moment”? And you know, and you can get yourself back on track right away. And you find, you just simply stop attracting that kind of stuff into your life. It’s just less and less and you experience more and more of these eerie periods.

Barry: Well you sum it up very well. You sum up what life is about and what our power is about, or what self-responsibility’s about, what gratitude’s about, I mean what everything is about when it comes to creation. And one of your key messages is basically you’re everything you need to be, and everything you need is in you. And I have never heard it summed up so succinctly and so beautifully.

Ghalil: Well thank you. They’re not my words, actually, that is the one thing I distinctly experienced. And it wasn’t exactly like I heard it, it wasn’t real words, but I knew it in my head. And in my body it was as if this phrase, “You’re everything, and everything you need is in you,” it was as if this phrase, for a moment, was the universe and was all that existed. And this phrase just existed as pure movement and stood in that phrase for a moment and felt it in every fiber of my being, that you are everything and everything you could ever want or ever need to achieve everything, to experience everything is in you. So go to it. (laugh)

And that’s why I say I’m so passionate, I guess. And you ask me anything and I start going on and on, because I want for everybody to experience this. And that’s something I knew from the moment I started writing. I kept thinking, “I need to explain more of my experience. I want to explain more. I want to tell people about all the amazing insights that just get more and more every day. And I very clearly felt guided in this one respect, I kept hearing, “Now, that’s not really in a sense your job. You’re job is to provide the bear essentials, these six extremely simple steps so people will simply have them and do them and come to their own, who may have much more miraculous and unique experiences over and over again.” And so I don’t have to worry about describing it or wanting it to make that happen, you just have to apply them and it starts to happen for you. That’s why I believe they were given.

Barry: Well that message or that phrase, that everything you need to be and everything you need is in you, reminds me of a phrase that’s kind of been bandied about for the past several years, and that is, “You create your own reality.” And I think that people have heard it so much, it is just one notch above, “Have a nice day.”

Ghalil: Right.

Barry: I think, unfortunately, most people who hear it haven’t really stopped to think of anything other than a surface meaning. So if we were to dig a little deeper into the meaning of, “You create your own reality,” and maybe a little bit into what was the message you got, which was, “Everything is in you,” which is similar to, “You create your own reality.” First of all, do you agree with that, that we do? And what do you think we come away with it we start to really think about what that really means.

Ghalil: Right, well, this goes back to what we talked about earlier in that I love that professional dreaming gives you principles and that it explains how and why creation works and that it’s miraculous. It’s not working in just one way. There isn’t just one law. There are many laws, and energy is working in many ways, just as there isn’t only gravity here, there’s also magnetism and electricity. And so energy is amazing, working in all these ways. And the book explains how that is and here’s what I thought is important. You can actually clearly visualize, picture in your mind how every thought is literally molding and shaping the condition of your life. You understand how that is taking place.

Now each of us might create slightly different mental imagery, but this is so important for a number of reasons, one of which, if you can really, clearly picture how your tools, how your thoughts are creating your reality, you see these as tools, you begin to treat your thoughts as tools. And one of the quotes I love is, “When you begin to use the tools of thought with care, you just see your entire life changing for the better.” It’s important to clearly picture that. When we say, “Creating our reality,” we are literally, every thought is an impulse of energy and it’s carrying with it all of these details and instructions, just like our plans, our DNA, pardon me, carries the plans to create our form. The same way it’s programming instructions going out there. And it immediately is communicated to the energy within and all around you. And energy listens and responds and in so many ways. As I say, there’s not just one way. In so many ways it begins to attract, accumulate, direct, organize, evolve in so many ways. It’s working to bring you the things you imagine why this is your gift.

You are a unique extension of an amazing source. You are a gift. It is given to you to be here, immersed in this incredible substance that you can mold and shape so that you have the experiences you need and want to have, experiences that will ultimately move you to a greater understanding.

Barry: Well, Ghalil, your message is beautifully profound, it’s timely, it is the most, I can’t even think of a term to say it’s the most angelically insightful message I’ve heard in quite a while. And that would just basically tell listeners and readers that it comes from such a higher power and such a universal force that’s connected to you and that you’re connected with, that, I mean, it’s amazing to hear you when you speak. So…

Ghalil: (overlapping) Well thank you.

Barry: …I know that people will dive into your book and practice these steps. They will achieve more in a month than they’ve ever achieved in several years put together.

Ghalil: Oh, like I say, a lot of people experience it by holding the book. I know that it’s an energy. And it was given for a reason. And if you have it, it was meant to reach you. And that means that energy will affect you, and it will benefit your life.

Barry: Well I thank you for the time. We’re going on about an hour-and-a-half here.

Ghalil: (overlapping) Thank you.

Barry: We’ve really given people a lot to think about and to soak up and to, we’ve given them some information that’ll get them ready for your book and then get them prepped for you book, actually. Kind of like a pre-course to the main course.

Ghalil: Oh, great, yes. I don’t think we can talk about it enough. It just gets more and more amazing, the whole experience.

Barry: Let me ask you though - let’s just give somebody listening, and somebody reading this, if they were to walk up to you on the street because they knew who you were, a teacher of manifestation, if that person asked, “Ghalil, can you tell me what to do right now for the rest of day to attract something better into my life,” what’s one or two tips that would just come out?

Ghalil: Yes, I’m going to relish that question and say again, return you to an earlier part of this discussion and say, “Please, stop in that moment, in any moment of the day and say, ‘Are these thoughts that I now hold in my mind adding to the life I want or are they keeping me from focusing on the people, events and things I want for my life’? Basically ask yourself, ‘Are these thoughts helping me, or are they hindering me’? And every moment of the day pull up the images and ideas that you love and enjoy.”

Barry: Yes, well I love that. I mean that’s a golden nugget for anybody who was to tap you on the shoulder and ask. (laugh)

Ghalil: And I will just, I’ll add one little point and say as I say that, I remember who I was immediately before my experience and for a few hours after. And I would hear that and think, “Yes, that is great, but wow. If I could do that, if I could keep my mind clear and full of happy thoughts and focused on what I want. If I even knew what I want, it would be fantastic. But I don’t know how.” And that’s why I so eagerly want everyone to embrace professional dreaming. It’s how, in clearest, simplest most practical way.

Barry: Yes, I agree. So I want everybody listening or reading to immediately go buy your book. It’d be the best investment they’ve had in decades, quite frankly. It’s just a powerful, energetic book that everybody needs, even if they don’t read it. Even if you don’t read it guys, just put it by your bed, under your pillow. (laugh)

Ghalil: Right.

Barry: That’s, I mean, that’s enough, well, it’s not enough. You want to read it, but even if you don’t have time. But if you find an excuse or you’re a procrastinator, just put it under your pillow. That’s the…

Ghalil: (overlapping) Yeah, and it’s the kind of book you can flip it open and what you read, that’s meant for you to read. If you want to approach it in little tidbits, you can do that, too. As long as you do, as long as you welcome that energy into your life.

Barry: Well, we better wrap this up. And for people listening to this, we apologize for the static on the line here. There’s a huge windstorm where I’m at. I’m literally about 5,000 miles away from Ghalil, so you never how the connections best show up. So if you’re listening to this, there’s a little static, we apologize. We tried to get it right. But definitely, if you are listening, you definitely want to print out the PDF and read the transcripts as well. So, Ghalil, thank you.

Ghalil: Thank you.

Barry: And folks listening, thank you for getting this far with us, and we look forward to communicating with you guys as the months go by.

Ghalil: Great, thank you, thank you everyone.



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